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No, I very much mean it's closer to bordering on conscious. It's still unconscious.

7:39 PM

But unlike in true trauma, I don't think those memories are buried quite so deep..

why would studying the phenomenon scientifically cause problems? is it not subject to the scientific method like the rest of the world's phenomena are?

But that's the problem with the scientific method it is a very objective method this is an extremely subjective thing

7:41 PM

Or rather not necessarily problem with the scientific method but just the problem when trying to Define this scientifically

Well, our own explanations that we're satisfied with do boil most of it down to "It's what you think is happening, so that's how you experience it". And that's all the more science there is to it.

Before I had a voice talking up in my head the scientific method was everything to me. So I tried to figure it out and ended up almost driving myself insane. Or at least it felt like it. And my tulpa are making sure I don't do that again.

7:43 PM

How do you really quantify any of this?

-But people are certainly enamored with the idea there's crazy weird explanations behind tulpamancy waiting to be uncovered by science.

7:43 PM

Well, we did the same thing, but we didn't go crazy.

I think I have some underlying issues that are the problem not necessarily the way that I went about trying to figure it out

Our theory of tulpamancy was basically established before finding Tulpa.info.

I'd be surprised if tulpamancy brought something really innovative to scientific psychology

Lumi and I both have an intense need to explain things before we can believe them.

Vocality can and does come before sentience. This would happen in walk-ins, soulbonds, and imaginary friends-turned tulpas. I believe that if sentience were a thing, it could even be lost and gained. That’s what happened in our case. (edited)

7:49 PM

I’m not saying that I don’t think tulpas are sentient. I just having picked apart that particular puzzle properly yet.

That puzzle is like a thousand piece Rubik's Cube with twice as many pieces as needed it only half of them fit in the right spot

As of tulpas and plurality, as I’ve said before, I like to think of most tulpa systems as median, rather than true plural systems.

7:50 PM

Heh

I definitely wouldn't deny that non-sentient beings can appear to be vocal/sentient when they're really not. It's very easy for that to happen, and then people think they have a new tulpa on their hands, when really it's just an imaginary character they expect to be sentient, so they cause it to act like it is (edited)

I used to beat myself up over whether Cilsc was “real” or not. Now we’ve just gotten to a point where uncertainty is the weird flatmate we can’t be bothered getting rid of, and that’s fine.

7:52 PM

^

Pretty much

As far as I can tell, Apollo, the only real difference is consistency/longevity. (edited)

7:53 PM

In the moment, there's not much difference between them. (A) difference is when you stop thinking about them, a tulpa can easily come back. (edited)

also, I'm pretty sure that with imaginary friends (and maybe some of the other types of entities that can become tulpas) they technically don't develop vocality, it's just you puppeting them

All of our non-sentient "tulpas" never came back

I can easily imagine someone we know answering questions I ask them, but that would be considered parroting if not pure imagination, because the responses are coming from active thinking rather than the trained patterns of thought and such that make a tulpa a person. We call it an identity.

I'm still worried that I'll wake up one day and they will just be gone. How's that for crazy

The inability to explain to people "subjective reality" really drives me crazy sometimes.

I don’t think so. I think the difference lies in where the tulpa or notulpa’s cognitions come from. If they’re from interaction between core beliefs and sensory input, yes, they’re “sentient” to me. If the brain’s just gotten into the habit of supplying them, then maybe not.

Was that a reply to my last paragraph, or the one before it?

7:55 PM

Because prior, I did imply it wasn't what I just did.

7:55 PM

Accident from not thinking about it enough.

Your consistency longevity point. Those qualities are valid, but they are sourced, I think, in strong core beliefs.

Ugh, these typos are becoming infuriating. We've made so many more the last couple months than we ever used to.

why's that, new keyboard or something?

Our new keyboard is only a few days old.

7:57 PM

The only typo it's causing is two spaces instead of one. For example.

7:58 PM

I think the difference lies in where the tulpa or notulpa’s cognitions come from. What I wrote should agree with this, but you're accounting for what's maybe a type of parroting with the later part. (edited)

7:59 PM

The brain can't just "be in the habit of supplying" the types of vocality I'm thinking of.

7:59 PM

"Yes"/"No" stuff has no place in talking about true vocality.

8:00 PM

This "your"/"you're" typo in particular is going to literally kill me.

8:00 PM

In 12 years on the internet, that's not a typo we have made. Ever.

8:00 PM

But it's been happening recently and it makes me want to die every time.

you can blame clo for that, she started the trend of saying "pet you're tulpa"

It's not an actual mistake, it's only a typo.

8:01 PM

I swear.

8:01 PM

Aside from a few strange words, the only grammatical error that should be in our everyday typing is putting a period after quotation marks, as that's how it should be.

yes, finally someone agrees with me on that one

We take typos like "That's it's favorite thing" very seriously.

8:02 PM

Most americans don't even know what the typo there is.

8:03 PM

Also screw capitalizing casual proper nouns.

Periods after quotation marks are dreadful

Well to be fair, it's grammatically incorrect in US grammar.

8:03 PM

And the rest of our grammar disagrees with the UK's, so we can't say we prefer theirs either.

8:03 PM

However, anything other than a period ending a sentence is unacceptable in my opinion.

8:03 PM

Uhm.

8:04 PM

#lounge

yep

I thought of “brain supplying” and “trained patterns of thought” as the same thing there.

I meant for "trained patterns of thought" to be much more complicated than simple habits. A host is just a lot of patterns of thought.

8:49 PM

Trained in a tulpa's case, given you're creating them by doing just that, training your brain to be able to work as someone else too.

I’ll bet switching tulpas have had to imitate their hosts at some point. What was it like the first time for you guys?

#It wasn't that bad. It's mostly muscle memory after all. I was worried people would notice something strange, but I guess there's no reason they would.#

A bit scary. Having to take someone else's place is always a bit unsettling.

Koomer's blog got nuked, here's a backup: https://xena.greedo.xeserv.us/tumblr/ponystasha/

Shouldn't we respected Koomer removing it?

I'm tired of resources and history vanishing

Ye, one person abandoning tulpamancy is history vanishing, sure

When you were around for the events happening

@Deleted User It probably wasn't removed by Koomer, it looks like it got taken over by a spambot

oh well, that's other kind of a strory then

4:14 PM

afaik he just left tulpamancy

he's hardly just "one person", he's probably the single most talked-about system in the community

why?

Talking about one person like that is nothing to be proud of

4:23 PM

Honestly, it feels like tulpamancy is a f... sect you cannot leave once you got into it.

People cite him as a story of what can go wrong with tulpamancy, though they're missing the fact that tulpamancy itself wasn't the problem for him, it was recklessness, possible pre-existing mental conditions, and a bit of bad luck

ah (edited)

[The trouble with Koomer's blog is that Koomer himself presented it as a warning against tulpamancy. It's a fascinating read, aside from that.]

Koomer outted himself as a fraud.

6:49 PM

I wouldn't take anything he says seriously.

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I'm pretty sure he -wanted- it to be fake, which doesn't mean that it was.

I wouldn't promote sick fascination with his story. Whether he was genuine or not, everyone has right to resign and be forgotten

6:53 PM

It's such an old story, I'm sort of surprised it still comes up

6:56 PM

You aren't new in tulpamancy, @Deleted User , are you?

6:56 PM

No.

6:56 PM

Been around since 2014

He didn't out himself as a fraud.

7:03 PM

I don't know why some people seem to believe that.

it's a "want to believe" thing on both sides

I was told that, I forgot where it stemmed from.

What a tulpamancer can't be capable of lying too

They can be. This was not a case of lying.

Tho that seems highly probable as a means to get out

It was a horrible tragedy involving doctors and parents and hallucinations.

I think Akagi was joking lol

And illicit substances I believe.